Why only Bhote's from Bhote??? How about our own Ethnic Nepali's from Bhutan??? who is going to support them, who is going to talk for them.

I see many Shajhite's worried about Foreign nationals from Different Ethnic Background, but forgetting our brother's and sister's from Bhutan who were expelled 17 yrs ago for no reason.

Me personally I dont' care what happen's to Tibetan's and Tibet. As a nepali our main focus should be Bhutanese Refugees in Nepal. We have to find a way to send them home.

I am all for helping Tibetan's but they have money and power and Hollywood behind them. How about bhutanese???? Who is going to help them? no one will becuause they are poor and have no money and no GOLD like the Tibetan's, is that everyone is ignoring them???

I read a thread about Dalai Lama ---> BathroomCoffee and NAS were going at eachother about Tibet. It is good, but I want to see more discussion about Bhutanese Refugee's than Tibetan's. Tibet is not Nepal's concern. India support's the tibetan's cause but not Nepali people's cause. Let India deal with it, why us??? what has Tibetan's done for nepal and why do we even need their support??? only reason I see is Humanity otherwise they are nobo's for nepal.

Well if you read the History, Tibetan's befelled Chinese on themselves. They would cry for help to the Chinese everytime Gorkhali Army went to Tibet to conquor it, they would call the Chinese to get rid of us. The chinese thought if we have to help these punks every year to get rid of the Gurkha's why not just take over the damn thing and not worry about Nepali envasion anymore. And that is what happened. If only Tibetan's would have let gurkha's rule them, they would still have their freedom.  You can't cry over spilled milk.

Coming back to the topic of Bhutan, I think the DRUK's tried to ethnically clinse their Bhote Country of nepali origin people, why should we help their tibetan' couisn's??????

 

Peace

 

 

EXACTLY! -do-

Hollywood people don't even know there is a country called Bhutan. try asking this question to any american you meet everyday. I can assure you that only handful of ppl know about Bhutan.

Maybe we as Nepalese should be brining up this issue again and again and again. Evertime we have a dialouge about plight of the Tibetan's.... Let's talk about Bhutan first. There is something we can do about this Bhutan situation but we can't nothing for Tibet.

Who want's to mess with China??? maybe america can fight china but do you think they want to waste resources and energy on a place with no vital significance for the American economy. India doesn't want to fight china.... why us nepali's??? we can't even cry infront of China. I would rather be friendly with the Chinese than the Tibetan's.

If they want to start a insurgency with China, more power to the Tibetan's. I would rather die fighting for my freedom than wait for someone to rescue me(which will never happen).

As a nepali my main concern and focus is Bhutani Refugee... Not tibetan's.

No one has anything to say. If I had said something to Mr. D Lama, I bet I would get lot's of response. This is called uneducation, no priorities set for the young nepali mind. Everybody want's to go Hollywood, some actor said Free Tibet and bunch of Nepali Moron's started shouting Free Tibet.

How about " Send them all home to Bhutan". Instead of sending them to Bhutan, America and other EU countries decided to send them all over the world, breaking up families and nobody cares. Has anyone been or seen how these people live in Hut's near the MaiRiver in Jhapa???? talking about freedom. It seems like only people with money can have freedom but not the poor. Tibetan's have gold, so they are the only one worthy of freedom but not the Bhutanese who didn't have any Gold to bring to nepal or india. They are being denied their right to go back to the country where they were born. and nepal doesn't want to keep them or give them citizenship, (nepal will give citizenship to Indian's easily but not to people of nepali origin, KYA BAKWASH)

Send them to their home to Bhutan not America or new zeland, did anyone ask those Refugees where they wanted to live or go?????

Maybe we as Nepalese should be brining up this issue again and again and again. Evertime we have a dialouge about plight of the Tibetan's.... Let's talk about Bhutan first. There is something we can do about this Bhutan situation but we can't nothing for Tibet.

Who want's to mess with China??? maybe america can fight china but do you think they want to waste resources and energy on a place with no vital significance for the American economy. India doesn't want to fight china.... why us nepali's??? we can't even cry infront of China. I would rather be friendly with the Chinese than the Tibetan's.

If they want to start a insurgency with China, more power to the Tibetan's. I would rather die fighting for my freedom than wait for someone to rescue me(which will never happen).

As a nepali my main concern and focus is Bhutani Refugee... Not tibetan's.

No one has anything to say. If I had said something to Mr. D Lama, I bet I would get lot's of response. This is called uneducation, no priorities set for the young nepali mind. Everybody want's to go Hollywood, some actor said Free Tibet and bunch of Nepali Moron's started shouting Free Tibet.

How about " Send them all home to Bhutan". Instead of sending them to Bhutan, America and other EU countries decided to send them all over the world, breaking up families and nobody cares. Has anyone been or seen how these people live in Hut's near the MaiRiver in Jhapa???? talking about freedom. It seems like only people with money can have freedom but not the poor. Tibetan's have gold, so they are the only one worthy of freedom but not the Bhutanese who didn't have any Gold to bring to nepal or india. They are being denied their right to go back to the country where they were born. and nepal doesn't want to keep them or give them citizenship, (nepal will give citizenship to Indian's easily but not to people of nepali origin, KYA BAKWASH)

Send them to their home to Bhutan not America or new zeland, did anyone ask those Refugees where they wanted to live or go?????

Very Nice CHOR bro. It would have been great if all Nepalese have a thought like you do. It is great that you really have a very good understanding of bhutanese refugee. Yah that is right that no one understands the feeling of poor and needy.

I totally agree on you!!

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yes!!!!! chor.........absolutely!!!!

Exactly CHOR ji. Very True.

Dear CHOR (my bad, but then 'CHOR' is your id),
as a Tibetan, I completely agree with your statements that you as a Nepali should help Nepali-Bhutanese in any-way, shape, form possible. I empathy with current status of Nepalese-Bhutanese; we are in same kind of boat.

We Tibetan are better recognized every where, and this is not an overnights job nor a year or two. Tibetan have begged for help, spread peaceful and tolerant messages and of all without indulging in any violence in last 5 decades (50 years). You show Tibetan National Flag, and people recognize that with Peace & Freedom; same like Rastaman Flag representing freedom of expression, this is our contribution to the World. With our leadership guidances we have worked hard for past Fifty-years in spreading message of peace and freedom, collectively  and at times alone where ever necessary.

With this, you should also do the same, and in due time, people will recognize your efforts and voices for Nepali-Bhutanese. Look at the bright side, soon 10k Nepali-Bhutanese will begin to emigrate from Nepal to US, and should Nepali Government or Maoist don't disturb, almost all of them will eventually migrate to Western-Hemisphere. You should work with them, in voicing their concern, take their plight everywhere.
You can follow our lead in what we did so far. And I am sure, Hollywood will come banging your door and sing your tune of freedom.

For some reason, its always about Tibetans being rich or having money in Nepal. For your information, there are almost 30,00 Tibetans in Nepal, and of them may be; at-most 50 individuals are rich, rest are same like you and more poor believe me. In Kathmandu alone, there are 4 Tibetan camps (Jawalakhel, Boudha, Jorpati, Swyombhu), go there see for yourself; majority live there.

Dear Chor,
also do let us know of any initiative that you put forward, and we'd be happy to join you.

thanks

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0FvG9GO8Qs

Chor:

I sympathize both Tibetans and Bhutanese. While Tibetans issue has been goin on for 50 years, it is just sad to see that Bhutanese Refugee problem was created none other than our own leaders. I guess, we as a whole Nepal, is also a victim of our leaders.When our leaders can't solve our domestic issues, it was wrong to incite sojha Nepalese in Bhutan to fight for more rights. Look at what we got: shits from Bhutan and our own.

I would not say Tibetans are the problem. In fact their contribution is much needed. Tibetans helped us in many ways:

1. Established Nepal as center of Buddhist learning.

2. Contributed alot to our economy by bringing Buddhist tourism. Have you noticed how many foreigners come to Nepal to learn Buddhism.

3. Introduced Nepal as a one of the most creative handmade carpet producers in the world. Carpet Industry still employs over 200k people in Nepal even though the export is 70% down.

4.  By building monastries all over, it creates employments and enroll monks from poor community. That numbers alone gotta be in thousands. By the way, these Lamas and monks did not steal money from the government unlike other Hindu priests and government favored and run temples.

I wonder why gov't does not issue Exit Permit to these Tibetan Refugees since US gov't has already agreed to take 5000 Tibetans from Nepal. Just let them go if people like You and Other chors have enough of these Tibetans protesting. They are just fighting for their cause. Nothing wrong with that. After all, didn't we kick Gyane out of office because he violated our rights.

 

 

191 karma,
Although I understand your sentiment, you are factually wrong, point-by-point.
1) Tibetans did not establish Nepal as a center of Buddhist learning. Dharmashala in India is the headquarters of their government-in-exile. For most Tibetans, Nepal is only a transit point--to India or Europe and America.
2) Tourism in Nepal is the consequence of Nepal's own geography and history (mountains, Buddha-Lumbini, art and architecture, culture, biodiversity, etc.) and Tibetans' contribution would insignificant if at all. lately, it has also been the result of Nepalese politics, that is peace and its absence determine how many people come to Nepal today, not how many Tibetans are in or outside of Nepal.
3) Carpet/rug industry has its own history and own problems+prospects; it's an economic issue and the Tibetan  refugees have nothing to do with it.
4) You make me laugh. Tell me how many monasteries are made in Nepal by these refugees alone and how many Nepalese have gained employment as a result. First off, it's insignificant even non-existent, factually. Even if there are one or two, they are built for the refugees themselves when they are in Nepal during the transit.
While I sympathize with the Tibetans and understand their plight--and also support their cause of autonomy as the Dalai Lama has been advocating--some people on Sajha seem to be inventing new myths about Tibetans in Nepal. We should support them for who they are and what is right for them not resort to fabricating things. No version of Buddhism would allow that!
Let me also add that Buddhism has been a way of life for many in Nepal far longer than it has been in Tibet. Actually, Buddhism spread to Tibet through Nepal and developed into a Lamaist cult which is not the same as other Buddhist beliefs.

OUR VERY OWN NEPALI GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT TO HELP OUR VERY OWN PEOPLE OF NEPALI ORIGIN THEREFORE THEY ARE GOING ELSEWHERE TO GET HELP.

Doesn't that say a lot about our Government ? That they don't give a shit about NEPAL. All these fugging politicians care about is feeding their ego, power trip, and that coveted Kursiii. While poor Nepali folks suffer.

Democracy democracy la khaa taaa DOOOUKWASHIII.

 

 

Simon:

Actually, you are wrong and clueless. You have no idea about the Tibetan contribution to our society. May be you should take a walk in Boudha, Swayambhunath and talk to people around there. In Boudha alone, you will find over 60 monastries large and small. In Swayambhu, you will find another 30-40 monastries. There are more in Pharping, Namo Boudha, Budhanilkantha and many other places. Chances are 80-90 percent of these are started by Tibetan Lamas. In each monastries, you will find at least 30-40 monks. Some monastries have monks upto 400. Most of the monks are poor Nepali as their parents cannot afford to send them to school. Do you know how hard these chief Lamas work so that they can maintain a good monastic system, feed and train those monks in their monastries.  

Think positively and think of monastry as an economic engine. Do you know what it takes to run the business and what kind of support and value added jobs it creates. Similarly,

I dont know if you got a chance to read one of the thread where another dude was complaining about Tibetans building huge monastries on top of all the hills around Kathmandu.

First of all, Dharmsala has nothing to do with those well known Tibetan Buddhist teachers who came to Nepal after 1959. I can give you few examples like Tulku Urgyen, Jatral Sangye, Sakya Rimpoche, Digo Khentse, Dudjum Rimpoche. These teachers have no connection with Dharmsala other than that they are Tibetan. Because of their hardworks in reviving Dharma and relentless effort to preach Dharma all over the world that Nepal is known today as Buddhst Center of Learninng.

You should know that Buddhism was in a death and declining stage before 1960s because of heavy favorism of Hindu State. I am sure you  know it very well that OFFICIALLY NEPAL CALLS ITSELF HINDU STATE, but when going overseas, they call Nepal as A LAND OF BUDDHA. Basically, Buddhism is used as a Begging Bowl. Gov't did not do any sh-t in Lumbini. All those donations that came in the name of Lumbini are gone

Carpets in early 90s used to bring over 200 million US$. Now dont tell me that is not a lot of money. Unfortunately, export has fallen off from the pick of 3 million m2 to less than 1 million m2 in the last 15 years. That is because our government couldn't defend the bad publicity India was accusing Nepal of using Child Labor and other cheap practises. For your information Jawalakhel Refugee Camp is the first modern carpet factory established outside Tibet with the help of Red Cross. It is still in operation and quite a tourist attraction. If you are not convinced, you should watch Hare Ram Hare Krishna movie and you will see  how the factory was in the late 60s.

People practised Buddhism in Nepal earlier than in Tibet. However, Shah and Rana rulers almost wiped out Buddhism from Kathmandu. May be you have not heard of massacare of  Newari Budhdist pujari by Ranas during their time. Why don't you go and ask some Newari Buddhist elders. It was those Tibetan origin people ( like Sherpa, manange, etc)inside Nepal along the border who practised Vajrayana Buddhism that kept the tradition going. Other than that , some of Newari community kept the tradition going. It was those Tibetan teachers who revived the Vajrayana Buddhism in Nepal. One of my newari friend even told me that he found in Singha Durbar Library a Newari translation of famous Tibetan Buddhist Book (18th century) called "Words of my Perfect Teacher." 

It seems like you gotta lot to educate yourself about Nepal and Buddhism. My point is you gotta appreciate good things others have done, whether they are Nepal or someone else. All these Tibetans are asking for us is their right to protest and express. After all, didn't we start Jan Andolan II to defend our fundamental rights.

 

 

hello 191Karma,
very well with data's to back your points. People who always post negative things about Tibetan in sajha; always seems to have same issue of "wealth" of Tibetans in Nepal.
I should say, I am from upper-middle class in wealth, and very proud;
a) we did not steal from anybody,
b) we did not take bread/butter out of someone to generate little we have,
c) we've contributed to Nepal's economy in every way possible and last but not least
d) kept the wealth generated in Nepal "in Nepal," instead of taking out of Nepal like almost all Indian-Marwari does (this is worst kind of economy raid, no country lets you do that without paying hefty tax, Indian simply stash cash in bag and goto other side of border), you'd be shocked to know the magnitude of the cash-outflow.

I hope you all would at least understand our cause, recognize that my people in Tibet under Chinese are suffering, we have lost our sovereignty and that we are struggling for freedom.


Thanks.

    I was not trying to dis anybody, all I wanted to say was how about the Bhutanese????? I know 10,000 are coming and they are coming to Baltimore. Nobody realizes they don't want to come to America, they want to go back to Bhutan. Indian's don't support it at all, it was them Dhoti's that put them in trucks and left them across the border in Nepal. I was there and I had seen it with my eyes, Refugees arriving by the truck full and their eyes full of tears.
    What did the Maoist do???? They shot their leader dead, they were left without a voice. Even Nepali's don't care about these people, it would be hard to argue about the Tibetan cause in nepal at this time. I really don't care about these issues but most Tibetan kids have a bad reputation in nepal, everybody(labeld) associates them with violence in school, or in your neighborhood or at parties etc.
    Anyway somewhere in a Indian magazine that is published in the USA I read some interview of Young Tibetan's and I feel the sadness in how they feel, one of em' said he is a american citizen but still feels like he is a refugee, another one said, His grandpa used to say he would take them to tibet and his dad said the same and he might pass away saying the same thing, he will take his kids to tibet.
    Exactly that is what I mean, we are taking these people(Bhutanese) far, very far away from where they originally from, atleast there are Tibetan's in India( I know the condition of their stay too with Indian clauses about that refugee card). Do you all realize, they are trying to displace over 150,000 people from their homeland without any hope of ever coming back. They will just be Bhutanese refugees with nepali origin living overseas(I have met a lot of Burmese Nepalese in DC metro like that)
    My only argument is, it is time the world realize there are other oppressed, repressed and forgotten group of People who really need help..
   And as Nepalese we have to do something about this, otherwise the time isn't far when we will be on the same boat, if this kind of situation keeps going on in Nepal.


Peace

"OUR VERY OWN NEPALI GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT TO HELP OUR VERY OWN PEOPLE OF NEPALI ORIGIN THEREFORE THEY ARE GOING ELSEWHERE TO GET HELP.

Doesn't that say a lot about our Government ? That they don't give a shit about NEPAL. All these fugging politicians care about is feeding their ego, power trip, and that coveted Kursiii. While poor Nepali folks suffer. "

BathroomCoffee, you do make sense sometimes.

If the power-monger government in the third world country like Nepal does whatever it takes to be in power and control, think of the same in global scale. There are few global elitists who want to control and run the whole world from behind the scenes. These elitists are the shadow government like the Bilderberg group, Trilateral Commissions, Council on Foreign Relations, Royal Institute of International Afairs, Club of Rome et al. How much do you know about these shadow governments who carry out their policies through puppet governments of the world? We should all make the government our servants not the masters. If the mass wake up, this could turn into reality.

Mr Chor,
One of my own teacher is a Nepalese-Bhutanese, I made an effort to meet him when I was in KTM in last 2006,  and had a long conversation about this issue, like I said we're in "same boat" and share same interest.

Also, Nepalese-Bhutanese plight ain't anything different from Tibetans, we also receive new Tibetan every day in Nepal and are sent to India once rehabilitated from sickness and from lower altitudes.

thanks for understanding, Nepalese-Bhutanese should organize themselves and people American & European will or make a sincere efforts. Western NGO's need  agenda's and causes, you need solid leadership that can approach them and things should follow.

thanks again and good weekend