For a Democratic Republic of Nepal
- http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/

Newuser wrote:

"Ashu is just a pawn in the sacrificing gambit step taken by Himali Dikshits which will unfortunately prove to be a suicidal move for themselves in the time to come."

AND

"When Himal media decides to make a turn, people like Ashu don't have many options to choose from then reciprocating their ideaology with the Dikshits. "

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Oh my God!

I did NOT know that I "am just a pawn" in someone else's "suicidal" game.
Nor did I know that I "don't have many options to choose from".

To paraphrase Woody Allen: And all these years, I thought the Dixits worked for
the phone company!

But, ugh, the betrayal!
The treachery!!
The abomination of hidden intents!!
Who knew that they are so khattam? :-)

Jokes aside though, Newuser, what ELSE is going on in my life that I should know
about from you so that I can: a) increase my options, and (b) not be a pawn?

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NOTE to others: Newuser's comments is the kind of laughable bullshit you get when
you dare to question or differ from strident republicanism, which IS as dogmatic and shrill in some quarters of Sajha as Maoism is Nepal's hinterland.

Because these people don't have to RISK anything to push for republicanism, they
can afford to be doctrinally pure on paper -- a fact they delight in.

And so assured are these people of the sheer superiority of their position that they can't help repeatedly falling in love with their own theories.

Ambiguity be damned!!

This is why, one imagines them as viewing the 63 per cent of Sajha online voters who (gasp! choke!!) actually approve of the King's move as those who are plainly stupid, misguided and pampered bunch.

Such is their abiding faith in "the collective judgement of fellow-citizens" -- a process otherwise known as -- oops! -- democracy (which makes it easier for people who may hate one another to live together without erupting into bloody wars!)

Hence, we have Nepe who dutifully trots out his 40,000-word manifesto whenever
he can. For evidence, he turns, with amusing qualifiers, to Dristi-patrika -- Nepal's most impartial weekly newspaper, no doubt!! -- tables as an indication of how republicanism is sweeping across the hills and the valleys.

All this adds up to an entertainment of the highest order -- at least for me. I love the way these guys play the game of the future and NOT -- emphatically -- not of the present, which is a lot more important.

To play upon Keynes' words: In the long run, Nepal might indeed turn into a republic, but by then we will also all be dead! Better present than dead.

That is why, it's better to focus on the PRESENT immediate challenge of defanging the Maoists. After having spent tons of money, lost so many people and even having our liberties suspended to counter the Maoists, we might as well reach some sort of a conclusion on this point than on foolishly pining for a King-free Nepal anytime in
near future . . . especially when it's clear that the loudmouths for republicanism are
not going to risk anything themselves.

Humans, after all, are designed to fight only one battle at a time, NOT multiple battles on multiple fronts like the hero of a Hindi movie.

oohi
ashu

63% of the vote at an internet site exites you, how about the voting done by the Students in Nepal??

You just seem to be living in Katmandu, and enjoying tato tato momo. You probably have no relatives, no REAL friends from outside the valley.

lol..........it seems mailadai has not been able to get a good sleep since the royal takeover. Poor you! Dont teke it too seriously

Ashujee,
What did you have to say to Paramendra's detailed analysis/ rebuttal above? Hope you haven't run out of your Harvard-fueled firepower to sidestep the main issue and pick on the weaker enemies (because you can't take on the substance) or resort to your old "I-know-I-risk-and-therefore-I-am-right-and-nobody-else's-opinion-is-as-valid-because-they-are-either-from-out-of-kathmandu-and envious-of-"my"-background/power, live/study-in-the-us-and-don't-know/risk-anything-or-are-simply-nondemocratic-because-they-oppose-my-view mental frame.
Wow!!! Kudos to your intellect, imagination, and wisdom. Had God not preceded you by birth, He would have sought a class with you.
Don't take it personally, I love you. But to follow onto your footstep of paraphrasing, I would paraphrase your comment about CK Lal sometime ago: If you didn't exist we would have to invent your character. The only difference, it means what it stands for here.
Good luck.
Lonely#1

Ashuji,

tapaaiko response padhera saachikaai mero aankhaabaata aashu jharyo.

Ashu wrote:

" I love the way these guys play the game of the future and NOT -- emphatically -- not of the present, which is a lot more important."

>>> Please, please, please refer to my question above (I was told that it is bad manners to copy-paste one's own writing in these forums). Please. Let's pause a moment from our pristine analysis of realpolitik. Let's think about the here and now. As you suggest. I am only seconding your suggestion.

"To play upon Keynes' words: In the long run, Nepal might indeed turn into a republic, but by then we will also all be dead! Better present than dead."

>>> Further play: In the long run, the Maobaadi may well be beaten, or they might peter out, but by then we will also be dead! Should we still wait for the King's trump card in the present and wait for future peace?

" Ambiguity be damned!!"


Peace.

Dear Ashuji,

You termed my comment as a 'laughable bullshit' but I am glad that you had to think something about the laughable bullshit and defend yourself. Isn't this an irony? My selection of words may have been below par for a US educated 'intellect', and you have reacted as if you didn't care of what I said but I can understand that some how it pricked your sense of superiority. I am very pleased with myself for being able to demoralise a complacent man.

You preferred not to say anything about my predictions months ago(the letter to Himal). Ok let it be.

You think as if you know everything and I am just a sense less man. You may be of my uncle's age but I bet you have not seen Nepal as much as I have seen. You have not walked across as many districts and villages as I have done, so while talking about Nepal your predictions fall flat on nose and mine will come true.

Note down in your diary today. King Gyanendra will have to hand over the government to the same political parties within 2 years( I myself do not want to see this happen in this way however). The maoists won't be crushed or defeated. If their demand for constituent assembly is not meet, the violence will continue for further more years. And after the country is ravaged by war, the UN or Norway or any other third party will have to negotiate a peace process that will finally pave the way for constituent assembly. So why not accept their demand for constituent assembly right now and prevent further bloodshed?

Ashuji, I am not some one who changes his ideology or principles or values from time to time. I am not an oppurtunist as some self fulfilling western educated so called Nepali intellectuals are. I have found lots of intriguing changes in your opinions in the last three weeks proportionating with the change in comments by Kunda and Kanak Dikchit. And I am very much sure that you will have to change your analysis every month. Because you do not know what the ground reality is, you write from what you hear from the journalists of Himal media. I don't need to suggest any options for yourself, I am waiting to see how you will write your article on the 1st week of April. I am sure, I will read your article urging for constituent assembly election within few months to come.
One more to wrap up- if things continue as at present ,you will see the republic of Nepal long before your death.

Paramendra, Nepal far too much fragmented to be a viable Democratic Republic. Too many ethnic races and languages and even religions with little resources to share the same country. Most of the political power in Nepal is controlled by upper-castes and the economy is pretty much controlled by Indian dual citizens. Hence, the hatred for both Bahuns and Indians is emmense.

We cannot go on like this. Our situation is similar to former Yugoslavia. We need to be broken up so that we can exercise self-determination. The current Bahun control of the political landscape is not good for the Bhotes or the Madheses. The Madhese control of the economy is not good for the Bahuns or the Bhotes. The Bhote control of the army and tourism is not good for the Bahuns or the Madheses.

Lets face it. Nepal was not a country until a King incorporated different kingdoms and tribes into one country. Nepal was founded by the ambitious Monarch who was distrustful of the British-Indians and Mughal-Indians who were sharing the power then. If the Monarchy is eliminated, we will lose the very concept of Nepal.

If that is the case, then we should go back to living in different smaller kingdoms and nations with our own people running things without any fear of discrimination.

Brah"man" dude

---------"Nepal is far too much fragmented to be a viable democratic republic......."

well, if you were to argue on that basis, other countries are at even situation. An example sits right next door to Nepal. Take India for example. There are people of more than hundred different races having more than hundred different languages and dialects. There are hardly anything in common between these races in India from west to east, north to south but still it has managed to remain as a viable democratic republic because there were many visionary leaders who kept that democratic republic going with out breaking up because the leasers and the nation adopted the doctrine of "inclusion" not "exclusion" of different races risiding within the nation of India.

India has largely accepted the doctrine of self-determination and implemented on the ground and yet remained to stay as a single strong country as well as to become more and more powerful country in the regional and world stage.

Nepal would have been far easier case to manage but still it seems to spun way out of control because there were no such leaders and the administraton throughout the history after the formation of state of Nepal who of course were primairily from the dominant race had no such visionaries. Until this date the nation excercises the policy of exclusion "exclusion." Even the so called modern constitution of Nepal in the context of Nepal, bears the testament.

The threat of British colonial expansion is long gone and its relevance has been left far behind in the shrouds of history. The long gone threat of British colonial expansion is no longer an excuse to keep monarchy alive which of course has become more like a "pain in the ass**" instead of being anything useful.

Only those countries whose so called elite class refused to give up some space and allow "exclusion" to take hold has fragmented into smaller nations. Yougslavia is given
by Bhra"Man"' as an example.

Those countries which have exercised "inclusion" have remained to stay strong as a multicultural, multilingual society within the framework of a single nation.

Guys,
Read this counterpunch article. " Death of democracy and rise of dictator: the monarchy of Nepal". Great.
http://www.counterpunch.org/devkota02192005.html

Another interesting book about G Shah
"King of Nepal" ISBN 061511928 X

>>Ashujee,
>>What did you have to say to Paramendra's detailed analysis/ rebuttal above?

I think every in-between individual should be given sufficient time to draft a good, grammatically flawless, in-between response, with dude-I-read-the-guardian-and-the-Harvard-business-review-regularly citations, a couple of Nepali journalists' names, and arguments that make unsuccessful attempts to bash people from outside the valley who are now in the US (who apparently did not give up a Wall Street job to "serve" their country by writing biweekly columns in national weeklies)!

Have patience, folks! We the in-betweens firmly believe -- almost in every issue -- that the situation here in Nepal is messier than what you can see from the other side of the Atlantic. We don't have a solution. But your clean solution will not work either, because we are in-betweens and we are not willing to believe anything you say. Let's face it, we are going to remain in this messy situation for ever. Btw, before I forget, it's the cowardice nature of outside the valley people who are in the US that prompts them every now and then to come up with provocative ideas. For further confusion and generalizations, feel free to contact us. Sincerely, the In-between.

M.P.

Great sense of humor.
I like it.
Keep it up.

It's fun to blow off steam by smiling at your jokes.

Meantime, my strategy as someone who genuinely does NOT know much but wants to learn a lot is to read up as much as I can and till 2 am about other countries and try to understand/see different perspectives re: how they coped with their armed struggles to push for democracy and better economy.

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Mailadai,

Unfortunately for you, and happily for me, I do verifiably have:

a) relatives outside of KTM, and
b) plenty of friends who are from outside-of-KTM
c) BUT I am NOT excited by the results of the Sajha polls for the VERY SAME REASON
that I am not excited by the student polls printed in Drsiti and made famous by Nepe with amusing qualifiers. Both polls suffer form various degrees of self-selection
biases, and each appeals ONLY to the partisanally delusional crowd.

But unhappily for both of us:
a) I am not eating tato tato momo, and I do miss Nepal.

Other than that, after some travels this week, I'll return again (if this thread is still up) next week to answer others' concerns.

After all, kaam ta garnai paryo, yaar!!

oohi
ashu

Indo-US Alliance For Democracy In Nepal Needed
- http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/02/indo-us-alliance-for-democracy-in.html

Interesting thread !

It is not fair to let it die so soon !

King gave another speech requisting the arms. But what he needs to do is to promotr the econmy beyond kathmandu so that maist would have better things to do then using arms and terrorizing innocent nepalese..............

An Open Letter To Dr. Baburam Bhattarai
- http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/02/sought-edialogue-with-dr-baburam.html

I agree on some points of Standforyourrights and by theory of democracy, and do not agree with Standforyourrights when I observed and analyzed of the facts and reality of Nepali political situation.

Theory of Democracy:

(1) Freedom of speech and peaceful protests.
(2) Equality or equal treatment on all human kind.
(3) Respect and equal treatment of all races, religions, cultures, languages and heritages.
(4) Human Rights, Civil Rights, Woman Rights and Children Rights.
(5) All Human under the constitution, law, order, rule and regulation.
(6) All human kind will have equal justice and safety for their life.

Note: These wonderful words and sentences are promised by illusion of democracy.

Reality of Nepalese democracy in 50 years:

(1) Never ever implemented Freedom of speech and peaceful protests against ruling parties.
(2) All Nepalese never ever treat equally ? most of the native Nepalese tribes never ever get easily or respectably Nepalese Citizenship. Always need to bribe for Nepalese citizenship. These native tribes never ever get chance to have government employments or access in education.
(3) One race dominant rule country system. All Nepalese never ever treat as Nepali Citizens. Native Nepalese force on systemic isolation in education and government employments.
(4) Bahunism or Racism was openly practices in Nepali Government and political parties where native people never ever lift up their social lives, history, languages, religion, culture and heritages. Some of these tribe not even included as Nepali.
(5) Human Rights, Civil Rights, Woman Rights and Children Rights NEVER EVER TRULY EXISTED in Nepalese Political history. Abuse, Hemulation, Mis-use of power, Mis-treatment, Isolation, Rap, Slavery, Killing and Disappearance are openly and freely practiced. All Rights and Social Organization became easy and free protective as well as survival tool for corrupted, moral less and criminals of Nepal.
(6) Bribery and mis-use of power control constitution, law, order, rule and regulation.
(7) There are no such things like equal justice, treatment and safety of life.

These are only few problems in the History of 50 years old Nepali Democracy that cannot blamed to the King. King may not the excellent Nepali leader but he is good Nepali leader among all Nepalese crooks.

Bhanesi....Paramendra ji ko bhanai upar Ashu ji ko pratibaad nahune jasto dekhiyo.

la..la..kuro bujhiyo...ghaintaa maa ghaam pani laagyo.

Ideological Overture To The Nepali Maoists
- http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/02/ideological-overture-to-nepali-maoists.html

Major Indian Support For Democracy In Nepal
- http://demrepubnepal.blogspot.com/2005/02/major-indian-support-for-democracy-in.html

"I wish the king of Nepal had some brain."

FIND OUT ROOT CAUSESE/PROBLEMS OF NEPAL AND FIND OUT TRUE SOLUTIONS.

ALL NEPALESE must know weakness and straight of the country. We must figure out by now the ROOT CAUSES or ROOT PROBLEMS of the country, and then Nepalese must find out solutions.

Braking as if street dogs and running around like a mouse are not a wise solution.

Braking Dog and Running Mouse means ? looking for Human Rights, Crappy Political Unity, Democracy, Peace and Freedom.