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Posted on 02-07-05 8:16 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Over the past week, there have been lot of anti King sentiments regarding his 'takeover'. There's been a big hue and cry about loss of democracy in Nepal.

We've seen democracy and what has it given us? Nothing. It's made the situation in Nepal worse day by day to the point that there was not even a glimmer of hope for Nepal or Nepalese.

The only hope for Nepal was for a powerful leader to stand up and take charge; and the King has done exactly that. Nepal cannot stand more bickering of these incompetent and corrupted politicians who are killing the soul of mother Nepal little by little.

We wanted democracy because that was in fashion. We tried it out, and we know that it does not work. Democracy is good for a country with a strong foundations and infrastructures in order to provide a good governance. But, for a country like Nepal without any foundations nor infrastructures, the hue and cry for Democracy is like trying to add floors after floors to a house with cracked foundations.

In a country where more than half the population does not even know the definition of Democracy - democracy is only a tool for the select few involved in politics - to show dissent towards the governing body - in order to fulfill their own little projects on the side. Nepal is not ready for democracy. Nepal will be ready when we have a strong foundation and infrastructure.

At this point who can create this foundation and infrastructure? Can the maoists do this with their killing spree and disrespect for life? Can the different political parties even make any difference - while being busy trying to cash in on their 15 minutes of power? The answer is NOBODY can do it besides the KING.

The king is human, he's made mistakes in the past. His son is not the ideal kind of person that we would like him to be. But, if you don't believe that this move by the KING creates some kind of HOPE for NEPAL, then you need to rethink your position and rethink what is good for NEPAL and the Nepali. This is the only hope that Nepal has in order to get out of the mess it's in right now. Instead of creating hurdles and creating more difficulty for the King, it's time for all of us to come together and lend a helping hand so that the King is able to do what he's set out to do. Let him get rid of all the corrupt politicians - we don't need them. Let him try to bring some highly awaited peace in Nepal - because he's the only person who has the ability to do so.

There are no other alternatives. I've seen people go into fanciful episodes of describing their utopias. But, they need to come down to earth and understand that their utopias are just a figment of their imaginations. This is reality. Only the King is capable of doing what needs to be done, and he needs us to be behind him not against him.

One of the most important undertaking for the King right now would be to build an EAST to WEST highway in Nepal that connects Nepal as a whole. In this emergency rule, he should be able to direct a chunk of the coffers and aids and the property of corrupted politicians into this project.

... to be continued
 
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Posted on 02-09-05 8:11 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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1961-1989 -> Approx. Duration of Panchayat
1978-1989 -> Last 11 years of Panchayat
1990-2001 -> First 11 years of "Multiparty Democracy"
 
Posted on 02-09-05 8:36 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Ghar-Jawai,

ONE OF THE MAIN PERSON WHO BECAME MULTI-MILLIONARE BY SIPHONING LUMBINI DEV TRUST'S FUND INTO HIS POCKET IS ------------------------------->

LOK DHARSAN BAJRACHARYA


LOK DHARSHAN WAS KING MAHENDRA'S PRIVATE SECRETARY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. HE WAS IN-CHARGE OF LUMBINI DEVELOPMENT TRUST DURING BIRENDRA'S REIGN.






 
Posted on 02-09-05 9:36 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Saroj, you tld me what wud happens in democracy, i tld you what happens in Autocratic rule.

Yes, same thing might have happened in Democracy, but in DEMOCRACY, THERE IS A VOICE!! DO YOU GET IT OR NOT?? EVEN IN HERE, YOU ARE FREE TO VOICE YOUR OPINION, COZ YOU HAVE FREEDOM TO DO SO, AUTOCRATIC RULE DOESNT ALLOW SUCH FREEDOM!!! GOT IT OR NO?? BUJHYO KI BUJHENA??


and now, quit labeling me as the only opposer of the king, there are plenty in this thread, that oppose it too, and think you have reached the height of idocy and dumbness, while trying to protect your false and fake beliefs.

And lastly, if you want my view, please do yourself a favor and read what new user and other ppl have enscribed out in other thread...I do not want to waste my time defining democracy to you, and getting only negative response bak...

 
Posted on 02-09-05 9:40 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I oppose the King, any questions. I oppose any facist like King Gyanendra and his son.
 
Posted on 02-09-05 9:43 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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This is Democracy in nepal


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Posted on 02-09-05 9:47 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Janadharana
- http://www.nepalnews.com/


 
Posted on 06-20-05 2:35 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Why Nepali government officials are richer than hard working ordinary Nepalese people?

example: a true story by usofa.

Most of the government officials earn exteremly unexpacted money in 9 figures - by organized crime and corruption. For them it is so easy, so quick and freely.

You can not believe if you know it.



 
Posted on 06-20-05 9:00 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Finally, the so called pro democratic parties have shown their true self. The parties are joining hands with the Maoists to attempt to come back to power.

The maoists who have brutally killed over 14000 innocent civilians. The same maoists who the democratic government had termed terrorists. They are now collaborating with them in order to come back to power.

These parasites will do anything to sell our nation, make some money and take off with the loot.
 
Posted on 06-20-05 10:15 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Saroj,

These so called pro democratic parties and Maoist are joining hands. And the demasculinized Pro-Royalists, shunned by their own arm suppliers, are masturbating in their own their past.

And the Result - You have become the one phallus damned to be erect with no chance to procreate, here in Sajha.
to be erect.
 
Posted on 06-20-05 10:29 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Just like the political parties who used to be staunch against the maoists are now opening up their rectal cavities to the maoists. Any phallus up your anal cavity is not going to be procreative, and you are feeling it I suppose, otherwise there was no need to get nasty.
 
Posted on 06-25-05 12:03 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Neither Maoist nor any political parties can change Nepal.

To change Nepal, Constitution, Law and Order must be strong. CIA (Corruption Investigation Authority) must be clean 100% and must have arrest and shooting power. Corruption and crime must be investigated in special entity or special court. Not in public court. Punishment must be death. No escape.

When criminal get punishment and Contributor get honor. Nepal and all Nepalese will move toward bright future. Everything come up with positively one and another.

 
Posted on 06-25-05 1:51 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Mayalu Keti so who can change Nepal? There is oanly three choice for Nepali Poltical parties, maoist and Gyan Bahadur. According to you , maoist and poltical party can't change anything so you wanna say Gyane is right. if so please go and start to do pray on pashupati for Hatyara Gane Sarkar coz it doesn't have long life in Nepal.
 
Posted on 06-25-05 4:58 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Confused:

You said in Democracy you get a VOICE. Voice for what? FOr chor gunda netas to biatch and make our life miserable. A same voice that brought Mao problem? A same voice that made life hell for millions of Nepali? What else.. A Same voice in a situation where we cannot go back to our villages. A same voice whose leaders care about themselves, but dont give a damn about nepali in general.

Those who believe in voices are being misled. I have yet to see a decent leader who I can trust. For the time being, I am glad Gyane is there to kick their asses.
 
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Have u guys read this article?


NEPAL: Political parties should provide a road map to the King to meet the constitutional crisis; Update 45.

by Dr. S. Chandrasekhara.

On May 3, 2004 in an unexpected move, the Thapa government arrested the CPN-UML General Secretary, Madhav Nepal and another senior leader Bam Dev Gautam from their residences in Kathmandu. The Nepali Congress leader G.P.Koirala was similarly arrested.

These arrests were made as a pre-emptive move to prevent the leaders in defying the government and demonstrating before the palace. When the situation demanded a conciliatory move on the part of the government to handle the agitation with care lest the agitation goes into lawless hands, the move of the Thapa government was totally provocative and unnecessary. This move certainly gives the imprint of King Gyanendra but the continued detention of the leaders would have irreversibly moved the country to a situation similar to the1990 agitation.

Luckily, good sense prevailed. Not only were all the political leaders released, the prohibitory orders declared in Kathmandu and Lalitpur that were the immediate cause for intensifying the agitation were withdrawn unconditionally. Though the agitation against regression is continuing, this action of the Thapa government should now pave the way for a meaningful dialogue between the agitating political parties and the King. In the past the dialogue between the King and the political leaders since October 4, 2002 had not made any progress as both the parties were vague and neither made any concrete proposal

Since last week, the King has been meeting various political leaders that included former Prime Ministers like Kirtinidi Bista, Lokendra Bahadur Chand and Marichman Singh These Prime ministers are of no relevance in the current political situation and their opinion may count with the Palace but not with the people or the agitating parties.

Reports indicate that the King wanted to meet the leaders of agitating parties, individually and not collectively, whereas the leaders initially said that they wanted to meet the King only collectively. There is some confusion amongst the parties as to what they want and what they should do or seek in the event of being invited for talks by the King.

G.P.Koirala is said to have declared that he would meet the King if the leaders languishing in jail are released unconditionally and the prohibitory orders lifted. These have been done, but he appears to have changed his stand and is reluctant to meet the King!

On the other hand, Madhav Nepal of UML in his interview with Kantipur post on May 1, 2004 said that the five party alliance now agitating will meet the King only after the resignation of Prime Minister Surya Bahadur Thapa and that too only after a consensus is reached. This is a tall order that will never be accepted by any self respecting person leave alone the present King Gyanendra!

But will the agitating political parties reach a consensus? It is doubtful.

In our last update 44, a suggestion was made that Sher Bahadur Deuba could be reinstated as Prime minister as a first step as that would meet one of the two issues on which the movement against October 4 regression of 2002 started. A similar view was also expressed by a senior leader K.P.Oli of UML. In an interaction programme in Kathmandu on 27 April, he said that his party would support Deuba as Prime Minister, if his government that was sacked on October 4, 2002 was reinstated. Similar views were also expressed privately by the UML leader Madhav Nepal also.

But G.P.Koirala is said to be opposed to the appointment of Deuba as Prime Minister once again. Some problems have also emerged in the proposed unity moves between the two factions of the Nepali Congress. While Koirala had indicated that the members of Deuba?s group ( Nepali Congress- democratic) could join them, he is said to be wary of committing himself fully to status quo ante which is the minimum demanded. by Deuba?s group. On the other hand some elements in Deuba?s group would prefer an association of the two parties rather than a merger.

To us, it appears that the differences between the two groups of Nepali Congress are not irreconcilable, but there have been no sincere attempts on the part of both sides to come to an agreement to unite. They should do it in the interest of the country.

The political parties should first come together and make out a proper and specific proposal to the King for moving ahead. If they do not like Deuba, let them elect another leader acceptable to all the former members of the dissolved parliament and agree on a cabinet of ministers representing all parties for the specific purpose of creating the right atmosphere for conducting the elections. The King had also indicated in his speeches that his objective is also to have a representative form of government according to international norms with a multi party democracy and elections to be held before April 2005.

The political parties and G.P.Koirala particularly should realise that uncertain political conditions favour both the Maoists and the King. The latter has the reputation of looking up to his late father King Mahendra as his role model and it is well-known how democracy was snuffed out in eighteen months and party less Panchayat system introduced in the sixties. His detractors say that he (King Gyanendra) is no admirer of democracy!

What is important is that the political parties should take the initiative and make concrete proposals for a representative government to meet the three dangers- law and order, political, and economic issues facing Nepal today. This is not the time to seek commitment to the eighteen point agenda proposed by the Nepali Congress or the seven point agenda proposed by the King for good governance. (Appendix I & II) These could be discussed later.

Release of the leaders and unconditional withdrawal of prohibitory orders in Kathmandu gives the agitating parties an opening to have a meaningful dialogue with the King. They should use this opportunity instead of continuing with the agitation.

Appendix1

18-point common agenda

1) Referendum.

2) Secularism.

3) Abrogation of the Raj Sabha Standing Committee.

4) Limiting royal title to king, queen and crown prince. Hierarchy of PM would jump up to 4th position, from current 13th.

5) Put an end to practice of constitutional monarch to enact laws as part of royal discretion.

6) Put functioning of Royal Palace under domain of Ministry of Royal Palace.

7) Publicising property owned by reigning monarch at regular intervals.

8) RNA will be put strictly under command of government.

9) Change national anthem, which will reflect pride, national unity and patriotism.

10) Parliament will be evolved along strong lines with huge powers.

11) Parliament will be deemed to be automatically revived just in case elections can't be held.

12) Drastic measures to bring about socio-economic transformation by suggesting, among others, dealing with Maoist insurgency.

13) Measures be taken to ameliorate lot of women, Dalits, members of ethnic communities and those who have contributed to task of nation-building.

14) Following non-aligned and UN friendly foreign policy. .

15) Decentralisation of governance.

16) Addressing issues linked with issuance of citizenship certificates.

17) Restructure National Assembly to broaden ethnic, caste and regional representation.

18) Make bureaucracy transparent and to effectively control corruption.
Appendix2.

7-point Agenda by King Gyanendra on January 6,2004

1) National consensus

2) Peace and security

3) Corruption control

4) People-oriented administration

5) National solidarity

6) Free and fair election

7) An all-party government
 
Posted on 07-05-05 12:07 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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In Nepal, nobody can change country like Nepal. Unless strong constitution, Law, Order, Rule and Regulation implemented and act.

Any corrupt and criminals must be shot or hang or must be get kill by law. Even if proven guilty in minimum corrupt and crime, perpetrator must be get capital punishment.

Capital punishment must be very very necessary country like Nepal. It is the most important than anything else.

Otherwise, we can not save Nepal from corrupt and crooks of Nepal.

Forget democracy, peace, human rights and freedom in Nepal?.. These things are beyond in Nepal.

First priority, crimes and corruption must be totally end.

 
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youstandup,
i like your idea but unfortunately it is nothing more than a failed fantasy .... china has capital punishemnt for people convicted in cases for corruption .... but china is country rife with corruption .. so your idea, no matter how 'brilliant' it seems is not an answer to the prayers of the nepali people...we have to go to the root causes of corruption if we want to stop it and just giving harsh punishment to offenders is not going to help...cutting beuraucratic red tape ... e-governance initiatives... reforming complex lincensing systems...providing state funding to political parties for elections...cutting political intervention in bureaucracy...among others will contribute to cut off the very 'demand' for corruption
 
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To: Pilot.

You never ever been in China or Do not know about China.

China is not like yesterday China.....

China is conquering world business market. Western and European countries scare with Chinese product and market. Because western and European competition in business with China is un-copromisable or uncontrollable. China is doing far better than what other stupid ? Kuwa ko Bhaguta thinks.

Nowadays, Everything manufacturing 80% in china.

China is targeting space ? moon and mars.

Do you know that?

 
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mayaluketi,
kura nabuji karaera hudaina..chinese economy is doing great but is it necessary that it means no corruption in chaina? NO... even though the economy in china is booming corruption there is still rife....similary india....economy is booming there too but corruption is rampant...dont try and act all clever before you understand what is being said
 
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Modern China 20th century

China successfully send men in space:
http://www.china.org.cn/english/msf/75333.htm


China Hopes to Have Own Space Station Within 10 Years:
http://www.china.org.cn/english/scitech/79212.htm

Chinese Militery technology:
http://www.china-military.org/
 
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thats right...what democracy?

 



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