I Love past King Gyandra Very Much Because He is 1000 times better then Prachada, Nepali people were expecting to much things about Nepal but Dahal is not nothing I think he is earning much more.

for more clarification hear the song by late jhalakman gandarvha....titled ...."bhandiye".....

I did not, but I was in favor of giving a choice to people, what they think? Should we keep the Monarcy or let it go by voting?  

Nepali congress had made a big mistake on this part, will pay a hafty toll for a long period.

nice reasearch there SKH regarding ancient kiratis. u hav mentioned about tagera nimwafungma, supreme god of kiratis, it is absolutely true, even today in every joyous celebration like marriages of limbu n other kirati communities we start with 'ot tagera ningmafungma sewaro' just like a hindu writes 'shree pashupatuinath...' . also u r very right about kirati mundhum, it is still in existence, in fact all of our religious ceremonies n rituals r carried on with accordance to mundhum, it is in simple a religious n folk literature of kiratis, very much explains our civilization being one distinct race of its own. it has been only roughly 200 years since the direct influence of hinduinization in general kiratis n annexetaion in hindu hierarchy as sudras or watever but we hav never accepted that. till now with only little modification n minor hinduism influence most of our cultures, rituals n traditions r very much intact. infact the aspiration for identity n cultural awareness has grown even more in this young generaion than previous one.

and the kipat u hav mentioned was still in practise untill mahendra brought land reform policy. it relates with land, the rights of indegenous which cant b alienated n can never b put in sale or mortgaged to other ethnic people away from certain kirati tribes. in those time the lands were distributed by gov in the name of raikar, jagir, guthi, etc. but kipat was never under soverign of the state but under the original people of that particular region. tax was exempt on this kind of land byt the state or they had no watsoever right to collect tax from such lands but tax was collected from individuals or people, it was kind of autonomous in nature. kirati of especially pallo kirat earned this rights becasue PNS was unable to suceed in annexing this region by force. if u look at the lalmohar presented by PNS, as per the agreement between morang or bijaypur and gorkha it clearly states about the autonomy which lured many other tribal states like Mewa Kingdom, Phedap Kingdom, Maiwa Kingdom and Tambar Kingdom. but yangwarok n illam resisted n allianced with sikkim to b later made to come under same term by force. this was how the system of kipat was created among kirati tribes in nepal but it is no more now.

 

 

somewhere in googlebook i read that gengis khan and his army eradicated 75% of the aryans. ath that who were in afghanistan. and then some of those 25% started moving toward kashmir, pak, india and some of thw chinese lands. Then, when gengish khan's army were in afghanistan, some groups spearated and moved toward nepal. and they were the kirats.

 

What do you expect Herealone.
The Kiratas scattered as several tribal groups were already living and making home in the ancient
 Indian-subcontinent regions including the himalayas. It had been discovered by the scholars that the kiratis were living as far as afghanistan to the west and bay of
bengal in the east. So in order to protect themselves and their land, they had to massacre the invading aryans my friend.
Anyway not wanting to create trouble, while upon researching, i came across this article about the
"maghe sakranti and yele sambat" in "the Himalyan Beacon" (http://beacononline.wordpress.com/2008/02/20/sunuwar-on-the-threshold-of-a-complete-revival/)
and HK Nepal (ttp://hknepal.com/wp/?p=5675)
I have extracted this articles and paste it here so maybe some of you can help me interpret or knows better than i do.


      "Dear kiranti’s,
      We have been confused with maghe sakranti and yele sambat and kiranti’s are misunderstood so i am submitting one article regarding yele sambat.

      “The Yele Sambat”

      By Chandra Prakash Sunuwar
      Dhobighat, Lalitpur, Kathmandu
      Email: cpsunuwar@hotmail.com

      THE YELE SAMBAT

      Yele sambat is kiranti new year and it used to celebrate in the time of maghe siri panchami or sukla panchami.This new
year used to celebrate since unknown ancient time by kiranti people as new year and considered this day as very lucky,Prosperouse
and happy day for all kirantis.This yele name is coming from king yalamber who officially declared this day as new year for kiranti people
so from his name this sambat or year is called yele sambat.This siri panchami or sukla panchami was so precious day for kiranti people
when the yalamber defeated the gopal dynasty king Bhuvansingh in nepal and started kiranti era this was day of siri panchami.
Altogether, there were 29 kings of this dynasty who ruled over Nepal for about 1225 years.

    But according to kirant bansawali record there is 34 kiranti king who ruled the Nepal . According to the chronicle (Bansawali) of Kirkpatrick,
Kiratas ruled over Nepal from about 900 B.C. to 300 A.D. During this long period, altogether 29 Kirat Kings ruled over the country’.yalamber
was such mighty and legendary kirant king who led the kirata in legendary Kuruksetra of Mahavarata. Kirant people considered him as
 god king as incarnation of mahadeva so he is called AKASH VAIRAB AS WELL. Another form of lord Siva or lord of terror.
The temple, a three storey structure now stands in the busy square of Indra Chowk is the temple of AKASH VAIRAB or temple of legendary
 kirant king yalamber. The twenty-nine Kings were : 1.Yalambar 2.Pari 3. Skandhar 4.Balamba 5.Hriti 6.Humati 7.Jitedasti 8.Galinja
9.Oysgja 10.Suyarma 11.Papa 12.Bunka 13.Swawnanda 14.Sthunko 15.Jinghri 16.nane 17.luka 18.Thor 19.Thoko 20.Verma 21.
Guja 21.Guja 22.Pushkar 23.kKeshu 24.Suja 25.Sansa 26.Gunam 27.Khimbu 28.Patuka 29.Gasti

      The last King of the Kirant dynasty was Gasti. He proved to be a weak ruler and was overthrown by the Sombanshi ruler Nimisha.
 It brought to the end of the powerful Kirant dynasty.When they defeated by Licchavis king they regrouped and formed the another
kirant kingdom in banepa. That day was maghe siri panchami or sukla pagnchami.Their new kirant kingdom was started from
Sanga Bhanjyang hill Kathmandu valley to Sikkim in east and remain as hostile power for the Licchavis. After Twenty years of
ruling in banepa as kiranti kingdom, later this kingdom was divided into 3 small kingdom, which they were called Wallo kirant, majh kirant and pallo kirant
with the different kings. Among them wallo kirant had boarder from sanga bhanjyang from west to dudh koshi in east.

    First king of wallo kirant was king Binicha.He was such mighty king and had power of wishful death only.
According to myth he had hidden Tupi{long hair in middle of the head} without cutting this he wouldn’t die this was his secrecy and famous for magic and art of warfare. Accodring to sunuwar kirant chronicle he used to form this wallo kirant in the time of maghe siri panchami or sukla panchami another form of yele sambat
 in Bhuji kot gaun in ramechap district so he declared that day is new year as it is like before. This new year used to celebrate like chandi beating dhole,
chyamta and sacrificing many animals and eating, drinking making socielize.in addition they used to do stick fighting, sword fighting khukuri fighting and game
of archery. This kind of game was so dangerous could easily break head and vulnerable to die as well but this was kiranti tradition and game of warrior race
 so nothing to do with this festival. Once passer-by two saints yogi named Kalbhairung and kal narsing seen this wallo kiranti new year and so much horrified.

     They Try to teach sunuwar this festival need to avoid because they seen many warrior bleeding and they took sword from them and brought In Hanuman Dhoka in Kathmandu. In addition all kirant young lad and lady get together and make appointment for marriage if they like each other. Pierced the ear for young people
to wear rings, cut the hair, get together the relatives, Build new houses, To give new clothes this is tradition in sunuwar.There is say for kiranti people no need
to see Sahit{good day} for start life journey. This festival was completely banned after conquest of gorkha darwar but still remain in the time of rana government
illegally but after rana government this festival is completely banned and all sort of kiranti documents were burned and destroy which the office used to
call Jatiya nasta bivag {gopal Gurung} but still old wallo kiranti sunuwar used to practice and celebrate this new year in time of maghe siri panchami.

    So recently first of all, wallo kiranti sunuwar start to celebrate this new year almost 10 years ago officially from sunuwar welfare society.
 Now limbu organisation recognise this new year as kiranti new year and start to follow sunuwar’s.This is not only by sunuwar and limbu but
we all kiranti must recognise our festival and revive our ancient pride. Nepal is kirant Deshe and ridiculously we are not celebrating our kirant festival
 and religion. We are such rich in historically, culturally and traditionally but we seems losing our all faith. This festival is not only lucky for kiranti but
many other people as well.
In the time of siri panchami, lord Buddha was born so all Buddhist celebrate Buddha jayanti{Buddha day} who was one of the greatest kirata scholar in past who gave Nirvana for all human being. He was the great teachers of all human race. Same day Chinese people have Chinese new year which is
called chunche there is strong connection with Chinese new year chunche and yele sambat.
 yele sambat and chunche might be same in past because kirata people were originated in Hunan province of china 6000 BC.

In this siri panchami Hindu goddess saraswati puja{worship}is done. She is the goddess of learning. She used to be kiranti goddess
Vedic people just forcefully trying to bring in Hindu fold.Sarswati in the Vedas was goddess of wealth, fruits and well being not as goddess
of learning and intelligence. Sarswati today is clothed with white colour which had derived from Khuluma of Tripuri kiranti people who is goddess
 of cotton and learning as she teaches us to weave and design the clothes. Khuluma is considered white colour as she for cotton. It clearly
shows goddess of learning saraswati is our kiranti god So value of siri panchami or sukla panchami is something beyond our
imagination for kiranti people. The full moon has different place for all living being. This is day of god,goddest,legendary story of wolf.
All living being are happy to see full moon.Kiranti people have myth and belief that
day all SIME,BHUME,NAG AND NAGINI{Goddess of earth, goddess of water and serpent king} They all come out on Earth
to breath and see the human activity and for blessing if they worship and appease them. This day people have belief that day
naga king or serpent god change him as human form so come in house disguising as yogi and blessed people so some people worship naga as well.

    Kiranti sunuwar has belief this day is important and it’s called KHARO BAR OR KHARO DIN so they have belief, that night 7 brother
 BANESKHANDI{JUNGLE GOD} come to visit every GOTH{HUT}to bless animal. There is folk lore that day kiranteswore mahadeva
 and kirantni parbati take bath in high Himalayan holy lake like JHATA POKHARI,NIRMAL POKHARI,BHUT POKHARI,PANCH
 POKHARI,GOSAI KUNDA,TILICHO TAL,CHYO ROLPA,HALESWARI,KAILASH MAN SAROWAR TAL AND other many more.
 For novelist, story writer, poem writer and lovers this full moon is something different. According to science sun start to move from
south pole to north pole so this new year the day of siri panchami is really really essential. All this kind of worship used to do in kiranti
 new year day the yele sambat.This yele sambat which we celebrating today in maghe siri panchami created confused for kiranti people
who doesn’t have sufficient historical knowledge about this and misunderstood as MAGHE SAKRANTI but this is not maghe sakranti this is yele
sambat kiranti new year which we celebrate in maghe siri panchmi.

    Because of time and difficulty of fixing the time some kiranti organisation start to celebrate in time of magh 1 gate but it has to be in time
 of maghe siri panchami or sukla panchami or basanta panchami. Kirata race were such ancient and used to tussle with god,goddess and demon
 in their daily life. They were only not ancient but also had very developed civilization like Indus civilization and Mohenjo-Daro civilization. Ancient Indian civilization is civilization of kirata.This great civilization was situated in north east Himalayan range of Mahavarata.
According to S.k chattarji north eastern kiranti civilization was key civilization of ancient India. They were the supreme power in that era.
If you see the 10000 BC Scientific human evolution film then you can find out how civilize we kiranti were in past. When southern Chinese
people used to cultivate paddy and living with happy civilize life that time, the westerner were struggling for resources and living in cave like jungle man.
 Due to dynamic of time they start to loose their colony,civilization,culture,tradition one after another but now this is our duty to restore ancestral pride and
their spirit. We must revive our own culture rather than to follow someone’s religion, culture and tradition so This is the time for all kiranti to celebrate
our own legendary new year the yele sambat.

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P.S In connection with this article i found this link http://kathmanduspeaks.blogspot.com/2007/03/mithila-sambat.html

which tells about Mithila Sambat,
  A letter published in Kantipur
    Words Ramnarayan Dev

Quoted from this site:

"Now, why Nepal Sambat and not any other sambat? Well, in case you know something outside Mithila and within Nepal, you
can find Kirat Sambat ( Yalambar was a real historical figure unlike myth of Janak or Sita), Buddha Sambat (Buddha had historical
and scientific existence unlike Janak and Sita and this Sambat commemorating a son of Nepal is being used in Thailand, Srilanka,
Burma, Laos etc amongst others), Lhosar, Hijri Sambat, Ishwi Sambat etc are also in use here."

From this articles i found out that Lord Buddha was born during Kirat rule and
he was the Kirati himself.
That Goddess Saraswati existed before the dawn of the Aryan just as Siva.
Anyone knowledge about "Jatiya nasta bivag"?
 the temple of AKASH VAIRAB at Indra Chowk.....!! how does it differs from Nepali concept?

what do you guys know about this?

well i be back after more conclusive readings but i'm sure these articles will help me with your feedbacks.
love
skh

This is what i learned so far from readings materials and books.

As of 2009, Kirat calendar is 5069 while Nepal is 2065 as English 2008/2009.

It is almost the same as the Chinese civilization.

Kirat New
Year (Kirat Sambat 5069) or (Yele Dong 5069) is
 the
Long forgotten New Year of Kirat people of Nepal. It is to be on the day of
Maghe Sankranti, 1st Magh..."misunderstood as MAGHE SAKRANTI but this is
not maghe sakranti".  This is

Yele sambat Kiranti new year which Kiratis celebrate in
maghe siri panchmi.

Kirat
community all around the world celebrated the Ubhouli Sakela/Sakewa
Festival to welcome their New Year.

Therefore Nepal Year is 5069 and not 2065 if we are to go with the earliest civilization of Nepal.

Anyone could help me if you have any insights into "Jatiya nasta bivag" please!

skh

so what am i saying SKH? am i saying something against kiratis? even if someone says what ure saying...you think ure the only one who is unique and with brains...

what do u expect herealone?...do u see me expecting anything????

 

i love present (means no) king, hehe. sakiye ko kuro sakisakyo, aba naya kura socha na sathi. pheri tyo mula gyan bahadur or baby nati lai powerless raja hunu or banaunu ko sato ta janata ko chhoro Dr Ram Baran Yadav jasta nai thik chhan ni.